Big Ten Expansion??

[DeathByOrca]

Originally Posted by Fituak

the Big 12 isn't the Big East; the teams can't be had for a hearty handshake and a sandwich.

Maybe if they threw in a Laurel instead of the sammich, that would work.

[NCSU44]

What pays more the Notre Dame NBC contract or the BIG 10 NETWORK Contract?

[JHetfield99]

Lots of quotes from University AD's coaches and links to plenty of other opinion pieces nationally:
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/8270/expansion-roundup-quotes-and-links



As for who would make more TV money, or money overall, here are a couple of excerpts saying the Big Ten is just as if not more lucrative than ND's NBC deal.

From Mandel's column:
The Big Ten does not publicly release revenue-sharing figures, but it's been reported that its rights deals with ABC/ESPN and the Big Ten Network generate about $212 million annually. (That's in addition to the league's direct profits from its jointly owned network.) Add in this season's two BCS berths ($22.3 million) and five other bowl berths (about $14 million), and we're talking a minimally estimated $248.3 million in shared revenue, or $22.6 million per team.

Therefore, any potential 12th team would have to add $22.6 million in "value" to renegotiated TV and bowl deals to prevent the others from losing money. With all due respect to Missouri, Pittsburgh, Syracuse and Rutgers (the most commonly discussed candidates), there's only one viable school that could guarantee that kind of gold mine: Notre Dame. The Irish rejected the Big Ten's last invitation in 1999, and the school has given no indication it's willing to reconsider.


From Iowa column already posted:
Ten years ago, Notre Dame’s television contract with NBC was unique and a major windfall for the Fighting Irish. The previous deal Notre Dame had with NBC that was set to expire in 2010 paid them an estimated $9 million per year.

However, with the establishment of the Big Ten Network and the league’s ten year contract (that was signed in 2006) with ABC/ESPN was for $1 billion dollars. It also has a 25-year, $2.8 billion dollar deal with News Corp, who owns 49% of the Big Ten Network. The league’s year to year receipts from the News Corp deal is an equity distribution, so the exact amount each school receives each year fluctuates along with profitability.

If you average out the contracts, the ABC/ESPN deal comes out to $9 million per year while the Big Ten Network revenues average out to just over $10 million per school over the duration of the contract. It wasn’t $10 million last year, it was closer to $7 million, but again, it’s based on profitability and the equity disbursement.

Also, add in the equity value of the 51% ownership of the Big Ten Network by the member schools, which could be around $30 to $40 million per school right now and could double within a few years. This doesn’t count the $2 million per year the league gets from CBS for the basketball contract, which was a ten-year deal.

I think you get the point; Notre Dame’s deal with NBC, while a good deal for a private and stand alone school, isn’t really special and every Big Ten school trumps it.

[Ernest T. Bass]

The SuperMegaConference could be a reality:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,3820862.story

[ravensdale]

Couldn't they just get IU to add football and that would be the twelfth team?

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Ernest T. Bass

The SuperMegaConference could be a reality:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,3820862.story

Folks act like I don't know what I'm talking about just cuz I'm drunk and a little bit crazy....

[BeaArthursPackage]

Ben Maller is saying Pitt will be added and announced this week.

http://benmaller.com/archives/2010/0...ded-to-big-10/

Source: Pitt headed to Big 10

University of Pittsburgh athletics are moving to the Big 10 conference, according to sources close to the school.

Some athletes were informed of the move over the weekend, a little birdie tells me. This move sets up the natural rivalry with Penn State who joined the conference in 1990. It also gives the Big 10 another east coast presence.

Pitt will become the 12th school in the Big 10, with an official announcement expected by Thursday. This means you'll be seeing a Big 10 football title game.

Expect the Pac Ten to consider adding teams to catch up with the SEC, Big 12, Big 10 and the rest of the big boys

No word on who will replace Pitt in the Big East.

Developing...

I don't give much credence to anything Maller says. But there were reports of twitter posts by people claiming to be student athletes at Pitt saying they were told over the weekend that it's a done deal.

[ravensdale]

Originally Posted by BeaArthursPackage

Ben Maller is saying Pitt will be added and announced this week.

http://benmaller.com/archives/2010/0...ded-to-big-10/



I don't give much credence to anything Maller says. But there were reports of twitter posts by people claiming to be student athletes at Pitt saying they were told over the weekend that it's a done deal.

Big 11 has already denied it.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com...n-big-ten.html

[BeaArthursPackage]

Originally Posted by ravensdale

Big 11 has already denied it.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com...n-big-ten.html

So has Pitt. Unfortunately none of that means sh*t. Of course they're all going to deny it. I'm not saying this will happen, and I hope it doesn't. I just don't think these mouthpieces denying the rumors have any more credibility than the people who started them.

[ravensdale]

Originally Posted by BeaArthursPackage

So has Pitt. Unfortunately none of that means sh*t. Of course they're all going to deny it. I'm not saying this will happen, and I hope it doesn't. I just don't think these mouthpieces denying the rumors have any more credibility than the people who started them.

I wasn't commenting on the validity of the story, just that the Big11 had already gotten a denial out.

[tmart937]

ugh Ben fvcking Maller

[WhoDey]

I seen it this morning on twitter and on some sites I read, but I've yet to see one credible source report it. I'm guessing its BS.

[Ernest T. Bass]

This is why no one should ever be getting their "news" from Twitter

Yesterday we reported that internet message boards and at least one "traditional" source had claimed that the University of Pittsburgh had agreed to become the Big Ten's twelfth athletic member. I along with every other rational commentator cried foul. After all, the story's genesis was a two paragraph "report" that surfaced on Bleacher Report and was posted on the Kansas City Star's website.

An account that seemed flimsy then, appears to be dead in the water now. Big Ten officials have told the Chicago Tribune "that the [conference] will adhere to the timetable it laid out in December: a 12-18 month period of analysis. The league will then determine whether it wants to expand and, if so, how many schools it will invite to the party" (emphasis added).

The Tribune claims that the rumor originated from "a few student-athletes at Pitt who tweeted about a meeting during which Big Ten expansion was brought up -- or, more likely, not brought up."

Sorry Pitt fans, this one's busted. (That being said, I think Pittsburgh remains a viable candidate for expansion. It just won't happen in the immediate future).

[Gonzo]

Why is it still called the Big 10 anyway?

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Why is it still called the Big 10 anyway?

Once you get to 11 (or more) fear of being split in half begins to kick in on the law of diminishing returns...

Perhaps Nan can fill in the details...

[Bix in Camby]

Kid's probably not old enough to rub one out yet and he has a free ride to USC playing QB.

[hubble74]

Originally Posted by Bix in Camby

Kid's probably not old enough to rub one out yet and he has a free ride to USC playing QB.

didnt kiffin say he was already better than the QB's they have.

[JHetfield99]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...2940944.column

According to this Teddy Greenstein article, if the Big Ten ups it's membership by one, there will be enough money to go around that all 12 school's pots are increased looking at the "obvious" example schools that are most talked about (excludes ND and Texas, both of which would of course make Big Ten TV revenues blow sky high, no research needed).

If the hurdle of more money is passed, I'd say it truly is a matter of when not if. I know many others on here came to that conclusion a while ago, but I was holding hope that we wouldn't expand. If it's going to happen, and it's not going to be Texas, I guess I prefer Mizzou over Rutgers and Pitt.

To me, money was truly the key after academic criteria was met by a potential member(s). You have schools sitting off to the side that aren't really part of the debate or the undercurrent that wants a Big Ten Championship game for CFB like NW, IU and Purdue being prime examples. All 3 already have limited revenue streams compared to the 3 giants with full 100k-seat stadiums. If their piece of the pie isn't going to increase significantly, there isn't much incentive to expand.

There's been a few quotes from Morgan Burke on it, Purdue's AD, over the last few months. He is extremely pragmatic by trade and his statements on expansion haven't differed. They have been among the most middle-of-the-road to negative that I've seen on the topic. My gut feeling is he isn't in favor of it, on the flip-side you have Wisc, PSU, and OSU ready to jump off a cliff to get it to happen. I believe 8 of 11 Presidents must be in favor of expansion for it to go through and my guess is at least that many will be able to be persuaded if this information is accurate.

[hubble74]

Originally Posted by Grover

Once you get to 11 (or more) fear of being split in half begins to kick in on the law of diminishing returns...

Perhaps Nan can fill in the details...

wow cant believe this post got missed. very well played Grover.

[BeaArthursPackage]

Originally Posted by JHetfield99

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...2940944.column

According to this Teddy Greenstein article, if the Big Ten ups it's membership by one, there will be enough money to go around that all 12 school's pots are increased looking at the "obvious" example schools that are most talked about (excludes ND and Texas, both of which would of course make Big Ten TV revenues blow sky high, no research needed).

If the hurdle of more money is passed, I'd say it truly is a matter of when not if. I know many others on here came to that conclusion a while ago, but I was holding hope that we wouldn't expand. If it's going to happen, and it's not going to be Texas, I guess I prefer Mizzou over Rutgers and Pitt.

To me, money was truly the key after academic criteria was met by a potential member(s). You have schools sitting off to the side that aren't really part of the debate or the undercurrent that wants a Big Ten Championship game for CFB like NW, IU and Purdue being prime examples. All 3 already have limited revenue streams compared to the 3 giants with full 100k-seat stadiums. If their piece of the pie isn't going to increase significantly, there isn't much incentive to expand.

There's been a few quotes from Morgan Burke on it, Purdue's AD, over the last few months. He is extremely pragmatic by trade and his statements on expansion haven't differed. They have been among the most middle-of-the-road to negative that I've seen on the topic. My gut feeling is he isn't in favor of it, on the flip-side you have Wisc, PSU, and OSU ready to jump off a cliff to get it to happen. I believe 8 of 11 Presidents must be in favor of expansion for it to go through and my guess is at least that many will be able to be persuaded if this information is accurate.

The more I read about this CIC, the more I'm convinced this has very little to do with sports, tv and a conference championship game. The CIC is wrapped up in billions of dollars in research money every year. I don't think any of the university presidents are going to let that take a back seat to athletics. That alone is why I don't think the Big Ten wants anything to do with ND. ND isn't the kind of research school that's going to bring anything substantial to the CIC. I don't know enough about the other schools in this regard, but I know they bring more to the table than ND.